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When it comes to the occult, If they charge money for their books

07 May

It’s a fraud.

I just visited one such site. I wont mention it because things like this are so common. Lets just say he is somewhat well-known in the occult community and leave it at that.

If they have a website and youtube channel, and all “articles” and videos are NOTHING but a sales pitch to buy the very bestest occult grimoire book ever, it’s a fraud.

And the videos? Who has the time or even the inclination to sit thru a hour of bullshit to maybe come across a tiny nugget of wisdom? The videos are a waste of time.

If I come across some information that helps me, and I use it to help myself financially (as an example since these things are almost always financial) then why would I charge you for the information that I already use for my benefit? I don’t need your money, because I already have it!

In my searches, I have only found one occult author that doesn’t try and spoon feed his answers to the reader. He teaches (taught?) people how to find their own answers. His name is (was?) Ophiel (Edward Peach). If there are others, I haven’t found them,

I have quite a collection of occult PDFs, and some of them are really bad. They can’t even use a spell checker. Then there are the idiotic “ideas” in these books that the author expects people to take at face value.

And these PDFs aren’t created by a word processor. These are scans of actual books. And they actually murdered trees to print that crap. And I wasted bandwidth to download them.

 
 

21 responses to “When it comes to the occult, If they charge money for their books

  1. succubusdesire

    May 7, 2014 at 10:52 am

    You talking about Erik Vonroth and his SuccubSummon book? 🙂

    He’s been mentioned a couple times in various blogs around here -_-.

    Wonder how much money he’s managed to sucker out of people.

     
    • Loose Cannon

      May 7, 2014 at 11:11 am

      It wasn’t him, but I know who you are talking about.

      Like I say, this shit is common.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m no communist, and there’s nothing wrong with making money. Some just don’t mind ripping people off.

      And if Finbarr is the publisher, just walk away! They’ll publish anything.

       
    • kyuu1111

      May 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm

      I read his free lessons. I don’t like the way he introduces this whole succubus thing. He promises you the panacea and makes a complex subject seems like your cup of tea. You’re dealing with people’s emotions and personal lives here. Can you bear such responsibility? I know there are disclaimers etc but to me… I dunno… it seems kinda wrong. I get it… it’s a very profitable market but I don’t believe anyone should be making money out of it. Not in that McDonald’s commercial tone at least xD

       
    • sqaisheymeow

      November 1, 2015 at 11:25 am

      Idk why people bought his book. All the info you need is in the free lessons.

       
  2. kyuu1111

    May 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    I feel the same way about those Craigslist’s freaks that promise to make you rich or the like. Srsly? If they were able to do that they wouldn’t need to degrade themselves to that level because, like you stated, they wouldn’t need your money to begin with lol.

    I believe that to manifest something in reality you gotta set up certain conditions on the physical plane as well. For example, if you want to win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. No matter how adept magician you’re if you don’t work on the physical plane it’s -almost- impossible to achieve what you want.

    Imho the best way to proceed in your spiritual path is by trusting yourself (gut) and having some spiritual assistance; not following some ‘authority’ or book written by who knows who. Even worse if they charge money for it! WTF!

    The first person that came to my mind when reading this post was that dude from ‘Becoming a living God’. That dude seems the real deal to me but… he is a douche xD
    I watched some of his videos in YT and the way he depicts and plays with demons is totally disrespectful. I wouldn’t recommend anyone to follow his teachings… you won’t be liked in the spiritual world ;$ but oh well… that’s not for me to decide xD

     
    • kyuu1111

      May 7, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      I’m complaining too much ._. sorry!

       
      • Loose Cannon

        May 7, 2014 at 1:22 pm

        Sometimes you just gotta get it out of your system.

         
    • Loose Cannon

      May 7, 2014 at 1:21 pm

      “The first person that came to my mind when reading this post was that dude from ‘Becoming a living God’. ”

      Hmmm…. lol

       
  3. chef1964

    May 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Disclaimer: I’m not defending Erik Vonroth, but I will say this: Most people don’t realize (and maybe even he doesn’t) that what he gives away in his free lessons are all you need. And not just to summon a spirit lover. What he gives away for free are the three most fundamental things for any spiritual work. Intention, visualization, and meditation. I have no idea what’s in the e-books he charges for, but it can’t be anything better than those three things.

    Loose Canon posted about making your own ritual, and stated rituals focus intent. Most of the people surfing the net looking to summon a spirit lover haven’t got the education in things spiritual, or occult if you will, to understand this. That’s where these occult hucksters clean up. The uninformed are always the easiest mark. Sate your intent clearly, visualize it clearly, and meditate to open yourself up. Affirmations can work wonders as well, but require a set intention, and visualization is helpful, as well.

    With all that being said, there are some very valuable books out there, but they don’t claim to make you an occult master, they simply educate. The rest is up to you.

     
    • chef1964

      May 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      P.S. After making that sygil, I’m still remembering dreams and dreaming every night. Pretty cool. And it was free, lol.

       
      • succubusdesire

        May 8, 2014 at 10:49 am

        I really need to try sigils. Btw sigils is one thing Erik Vonroth goes into quite a bit, too.

         
        • chef1964

          May 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm

          I can’t honestly remember dreaming this much for a lot of years. For the last 10-15 years it was rare for me to remember dreams, or even dreaming. I’d say it works.

           
      • mika1us

        June 27, 2015 at 3:43 pm

        Hello cher1964. I am very interested in your comment about ‘After making that sygil, I’m still remembering dreams and dreaming every night’. I am having great difficulty in remembering my dreams! Could you please point me at, or send me, the instructions for making this ‘dream remembering’ sygil. I would be very grateful. I’ve tried just about everything else, and so far, ‘nada’.
        Thank you.

         
    • succubusdesire

      May 8, 2014 at 10:48 am

      Very true. I only recently signed up for his free lessons to see just wth they included. Some of his blog posts are ok.

      I did manage to download his book SuccuVision (found a download link using google) and it was mostly pretty crap. Well, nothing new we wouldn’t already know, anyway. Haven’t managed to find a free copy of SuccuSummon (his first book) yet.

      But yeah if you google the pdf names you can probably find a working download link,

       
  4. succupedia

    May 9, 2014 at 4:19 am

    Even if this post isn’t about Eric Vonroth, per se, but the concept of how the information is shared, I don’t have anything against him. In fact, if it wasn’t for his positive attitude towards the subject of “succubus” I wouldn’t be in a relationship with my two wives. I even signed up for his free lessons, but never considered to try his techniques.

    His positive attitude was a turning point for me to even consider the whole thing, but I never liked to be charged for more information. Whether most of us dislike these kind of “knowledge sharing” involving money, I think Vonroth himself, knows a thing or two about spirits and entities.

    I don’t like the concept of charging money, but would not see all who do that as a “scam”. The other bad thing is the limitation of building interrest and curiosity about otherworldly beings, and never get to know more if you not give money to those people.

     
    • Loose Cannon

      May 9, 2014 at 12:10 pm

      The PDFs I have are scams. I mean, they are trash, worthless, comically stupid, and they had the nerve to publish it and charge money for it.

      And the ones that aren’t that bad, they don’t teach, they preach.

      Show me some ways to get my own information and I’ll buy the book, That way, the knowledge becomes a part of me, and not just something I believe.

       
      • succupedia

        May 9, 2014 at 4:48 pm

        That’s why we all have our own experiences to reconsider those scammers that charge for it. Sure, there’s differences with no rules to fall back on, which in my opinion, is even better. We don’t learn by books, but rather from our experiences and with our perception of those experiences.

        In a way, we write our own “books”, by sharing our experiences to those who read our blogs.

        Whether Vonroth is a scam or not, wasn’t my point. It was more the positive attitude with the word “succubus” that made my decision to try, and that was the best choice I ever made.

         
  5. HikenoAce

    April 13, 2015 at 12:44 am

    I culdnt find the pdf for Succusummon by erik on any site can somebody plzz hlp me..

     
  6. succubusluv

    April 14, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    I found it free at scribd.com.However that was a long time ago.

     
  7. succubusluv

    April 14, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    or was it succuvision?Eh i can’t remember.

     

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